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ffs, okay now this is getting really bad. You guys are wavering, creating confusion and I wouldnt be surprised if we lose becaues of it.  We had this game by the scruff of the neck, and now you guys are losing it.

Undeath, I'm posting our chat in #mafia, so that those who weren't present can also see my and your confusion.  My thoughts regarding all of this is after the logs.  I know its a long chat history, but for those of you really interested in finding these mob, I suggest you read through it and consider what we're talking about:

10:16    Gratitude    hehe my death goes to the greater good big_smile
10:16    Undeath    without your death, one of the mobs never would have been found
10:16    Gratitude    exactly smile
10:17    Gratitude    off to get food
10:17    Gratitude    brb
10:17    Undeath    i figure ill speak with them b4 i bring it out into the open tho
10:17    Undeath    they deserve a chance to defend themselves
10:17    Torqez|AtWork    undeath..
10:17    Gratitude    burn him/her at the stake! tongue
10:18    Undeath    Torqez, stop trying to convince me that you are town. i am the one the knight talks to, i am the one that fed you your info, i know that you are mob
10:18    Undeath    dont waste your time
10:18    Torqez|AtWork    u need to prove to me then, why u think the knight hasnt been converted
10:19    Il_ZoZecksi    knights shouldnt be converted
10:19    Il_ZoZecksi    speak like that to a real live medieval Templar Knight
10:19    Il_ZoZecksi    he'd gnwaw your face off
10:19    Undeath    proof is pending
10:19    Torqez|AtWork    lol
10:19    Undeath    must speak with someone
10:19    Torqez|AtWork    lol
10:19    Torqez|AtWork    so u just admit to not knowing if the knight has been converted or not
10:20    Undeath    as last night either revealed another mob, or the mods missed something
10:20    Torqez|AtWork    so its true then ...ur being manipulated
10:20    Undeath    please
10:20    Undeath    go post this in the forum
10:20    Undeath    and than argue about how i am being manipulated
10:20    Torqez|AtWork    thats the stupid thing
10:20    Undeath    go into a proof battle with me
10:21    Undeath    make it ezier for me to have you lynched
10:21    Torqez|AtWork    obviously ur trying to figure out the good here ...i just cant fathom why u dont believe me
10:21    Undeath    i do have one question though
10:21    Torqez|AtWork    "torq got investigated so i know ur mob" ...and then " oh proof is pending tonight if the knight im in touch with, hasnt been switched or not" ....yea...ok...
10:22    Undeath    give me about 2 hours, and ill post all my proof smile
10:23    Torqez|AtWork    btw
10:23    Torqez|AtWork    how do u explain ur lying to me?
10:23    Torqez|AtWork    "show me proof where i said im knight"
10:23    iluvatar    hmm
10:23    Torqez|AtWork    or rather, lying to everyone ...since that post of urs wasnt directed at me
10:23    iluvatar    nuts and milk dont combine
10:23    Undeath    i never once said i was the knight
10:23    Undeath    smile
10:24    Torqez|AtWork    do u deny those logs of u then?
10:24    Undeath    i believe you asked me once, and i said yes in response to a prior question, but just let it sit
10:24    Undeath    show me a log where i claim to be the knight
10:24    Torqez|AtWork    i posted in the forum already
10:24    Undeath    point me to it
10:24    Undeath    im missing it
10:25    Undeath    pardon i see it
10:25    Torqez|AtWork    ya, im just wondering what else youve missed
10:25    Undeath    not exactly, because to their knowledge i am the cop
10:26    Undeath    i well, sort of
10:26    Undeath    i sent similar messages to 4 ppl
10:26    Torqez|AtWork    and now ur back peddling
10:26    Undeath    do your self a favor, and dont bother backing me into a corner
10:26    Undeath    because if im right about what happened, all will be revealed in the next few hours
10:27    Undeath    and town will be certain of their next 2 votes
10:27    Torqez|AtWork    look undeath...i trust u ...i dont trust ur source ...i dont know why ur being so offenseive on me. we were going perfectly fine as we were, until some stuff got stirred up ..and now townies are wavering ..its effecting us
10:27    Undeath    attempt to back me into a corner all you wish, but grat dying last night was a huge mistake by either the converted townie10:28    Undeath    or my source has false info
10:28    Torqez|AtWork    why on earth would i back u into a corner?
10:29    Torqez|AtWork    i imagine it to be the latter ....i know ur on my side, im just wondering who's turned u against me
10:29    Undeath    theres another possibility
10:29    Undeath    but it doesnt add up
10:30    Torqez|AtWork    im willing to listen ..and u know ive been since the beginning. all i've been trying to do is help us win
10:30    Torqez|AtWork    dont forget, ur the one that approached me
10:30    Torqez|AtWork    u said vote zoz ...and i started the movement
10:30    Undeath    how long will you be around
10:30    Torqez|AtWork    u said vote eltara ...and is tarted the movement
10:31    Torqez|AtWork    u said vote chees, and i started the movement ....and then after discussions, u said to consider changing to TU
10:31    Torqez|AtWork    so i did
10:31    Undeath    i said i couldnt decided about tu or chees
10:31    Undeath    i got back from class and every1 had switched
10:31    Undeath    :S
10:32    Torqez|AtWork    yea, u werent the only one that mentioned it to me
10:32    Torqez|AtWork    lyns said the same thing ...and then SD, and sunstorm did too
10:33    Torqez|AtWork    i'll be around on and off ..for the next 7 hrs (am at work)
10:33    Torqez|AtWork    then i'll be home
10:33    Undeath    ok
10:33    Undeath    ill catch you later...im off to write an essay...and piece together a few loose ends
10:34    Torqez|AtWork    np
10:34    Torqez|AtWork    btw
10:34    Torqez|AtWork    did u get into ur class? tongue
10:34    Torqez|AtWork    i was just doign the same thing yesterday for my brother ...so was wondering if u got in or not, lol
10:35    Undeath    not yet
10:35    Undeath    :S
10:35    Undeath    omg
10:35    Undeath    im so pissed at this game right now
10:36    Undeath    i have everything together until they throw screwed up twists at me
10:36    Undeath    yea
10:36    Undeath    thats right arsy and elro
10:36        *** evilsheep_Naked joined #mafia
10:36        +++ ChanServ has given voice to evilsheep_Naked
10:36    iluvatar    yikes
10:36    Undeath    im talkin about you too
10:36    Ezekiel    we only laugh


Take special note of the convo at 10.19am (my time), where Undeath says his proof is 'pending' regarding the Knight being innocent or not.  Undeath, I WANT to believe you, and i want you to trust me, but I seriously think someone is playing you and you are unsure of whats going on.

IM unsure of whats going on too.  You were my source, and now now I cant even rely on you for info (eg u were wrong about TU, and that's hurt us bad).  Judging from our convo, you're unaware of the source as well now.  I'll wait the couple of hours for you and then you let me know how to proceed.  Possibly you've been talking to sunstorm?  He's a bit questionable and then he voted for me first... I dont know why, but for some reason i think im being used as an escape goat here and it pisses me off, because everything was on track up until the switch.

Anyway for those of you at the logs, plz also look at 10.23am.  Its where undeath claims he didnt tell me that he's the knight.  But after i've ALREADY posted the logs, and now ur saying u told this to 4 other ppl?  Btw this isnt to implicate you or anything, its just to show people that I'm not making up that you told me ur the Knight.  I'm not sure what you're playing at undeath, but I'm guessing whoevers 'controlling' you, is doing it really well.

Anyway, for this reason, I'm gonna put my vote on Lynns.

Lynns, *hunny*, I think ur the switched person, and I'm doubting ur credibilty.  Especially since you'd ridicule my post without even giving me proper answers.

I'm not entirely convinced tho ..and will still wait for Undeaths's "pending confirmation".  I really dont know whats going on, and all I can hope is that we kill a mobie.  I hope you guys realise theres still 4 out there, and soon we're going to run out of time.

Ohh as a side note.  The night of the switch, the next day i started the movmeent to get Eltara lynched.  I find it interesting that he voted for you.  Just like his "ooh that was ironic" attempt at throwing suspcion off himselve when mob saved him from the Genesis (SK) kill, was this yet another attempt to throw away suspicion at you?  I dont know why he'd vote Lynns otherwise.

Anyway for now,

My vote = Lynns

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[OH AND BTW, TOTALLY OUT OF CONTEXT]

lol, The Yell & Grat.

we were discussing this king 'switch' thing too in #mafia earlier.  To add interesting gameplay, i was suggesting that next time they change it up!  I mean if the King got switched and become a traitor, shouldnt that mean all the traitors become 'Kings subjects' tongue and that all the townies become traitors? tongue ...lol go go arsy/elro - make it happen! tongue

[END OF OUT OF CONTEXT POST!!]

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Im not panicking, nor am I being hasty. 

I'm pretty sure through my reasoning Chees is mob, and now you've managed to able to save him.  I dont know whats going on, because out of everyone, you and Undeath i trusted.  I feel a tad upset that all the hardwork is going to waste, and that townies are starting to falter.

Ever since the start we had a nice group of townies going forward and things were well on course for us.  As of late, you three have been causing confusion and in the process we've already lost a townie.  You Undeath and Grat have something going on.  It's obvious Undeath is being manipulated - and if you're not the one playing them, I feel that you've also been exposed to it.

Thanks for the compliments though, interesting why you didn't address any of the points in my post and just start the whole spiel about 'inexperience' 'panic' 'fate' etc.

I may not have enough experience to play this game, but I do recognise suspicous play when I see it.

3,404

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@ Undeath, pfft

"Ask your body for a single instance when i said i was the knight"

[06:54] <Undeath> well
[06:54] <Undeath> btw
[06:54] <Undeath> if i get killed tonight
[06:54] <Undeath> lynnz, you, and gratitude are the only ones left that know im the cop

ffs, thank god I didn't get killed tonight.  I'm not sure wtf you guys are doing to jeopardise us winning.

Go and have a look at the voting.  I'm the one that got Eltara lynched when the first switched happen.  Eltara was mob.  I also suspected Chees (I even started the votes against him) and then having discussions in PM with Undeath and Lynns, it seemed I was convinced he wasn't.  Thats why I switched with the rest of the people went TU - oh boy was that a mistake.

Undeath, I don't know why you're being so stupid.  If you've played me - you've played me sooo wrongly.  I KNOW your not mob - else mob wouldnt have tried to kill you two nights in a row.  If you're not the knight, then I dont know why you havnt shared more information.  I trust Lynns to be townie - because ever since the start, she's had a good feeling about her (or maybe she always has that feeling? yikes).  Regardless!! I'm pretty sure Grat is the guy thats been switched now (or maybe it could be Lynns.  Infact, judging by voting history (omg and I encourage you to go through it), Lynns might even be mob since the outset - she only followed whatever I had to say - but anyway thats a different story).  Pretty sure Chees was mob, based on the TU vs Chees thing - but why did you guys convince me otherwise?

Either he's (Grat) the one that claims to be the Knight and is playing you, or you're being played by someone else.

Ffs get your act together.  We're soo close, yet so far.

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Well, that proves my point.

You're clearly throwing a lot of speculation in.  Why do I suspect you've been given the wrong info?

Undeath knows who the King is, why? Cos I told him - you're obviously not in touch with him.  He's also knows the Prince.

Just when I thought we were starting to coordinate with each other and finally register a win for the townies, you go and throw this all in the heap and cause confusion.

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Wow, now this wasn't expected.

At the rest of you:  Nice try - Sunny, you've been a bit dodgy since the start.  And Grat, plz refrain from lying at least =/ "Accusing me of being mob multiple times"  I've only spoken to you once about this, and it's me trying to figure out who the switched one is.  Pretty good idea of who the mob are now, just unsure of who's the one thats been switched.  Can't help but think this is yet another attempt at mob trying to get a townie lynched prematurely.

Undeath:  Dude, somehow I think you've got the wires crossed.  Maybe need to check your sources.  Someone somewhere is feeding you false info.  Why not get an investigation done on me and make sure?

Anyway, I can understand that everyones looking for the Switched townie.  All I can say is that you check the voting history since the night someone got switched.  It's pretty clear to me, I'm not sure why theres even an iota of doubt for you.

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w00t big_smile

Save by SoL ...finally the townies are workin in unision!

Mind you...i dont know if the save by SoL is a good thing (not the kill save, but the fact that we had to use it?).  I cant help but feel somewhere along the line some info has been leaked?...

Anyway, regarding the lynching today ...it seems there is a bit of thinking from some ppl that yesterday we may have had a townie vs townie thing.  I cant be sure of that just yet, and what my thinking was that if TU was townie, then Chees has to be mob.

Not entirely convinced, but I'll see what you guys think.

For now, my votes with Chees.

3,408

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"simple...got my figs ran cause i wasnt around the computer when they came in."

ROFL Hydro..

hahaha....

noob! tongue

3,409

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ffs!!

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lol wtf...ur soo drunk...thats not what i said!

I didn't say we might need your vote.  I suspect you...the last thing I need is your vote.

What I said is that it 'might' matter if you change your vote:

[22:42] <+evilsheep_Naked> i was gonna change my vote then i realized it doesnt matter anyways lol
[22:43] <Amok> sheepeh eh neh nakeh!
[22:43] <+Torqez> lol, it might matter sheepeh tongue

And what I mean is that if TU turns out to mob - then just like I suspected, you voted to save him.  If you Chees is the mob, then it restores a bit of your credibility.

Like I said (same as SD), I simply dont know.  Why? Because knight (whom I trust) hasnt told me either way.  Rather he's unsure too.

So don't put this on me, mob!

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Unofficial Update

TU - 8 - ( chees, sunstorm, Torqez, SittingDuck, TMK, Lynns, Gladiator, Undeath)
Chees - 5 - ( evilsheep, arms, Gratitude, Ilfirin, TU)

Still to vote: Rockon,

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Yea, same thing SD.

Since the Knight didn't give me any definite info on who the mob is - it seems its a toss up between two it seems.

Initially voted Chees, but then theres equal suspicion on TU.

Rather I have people in my trusted group thinking more along the lines of TU, and people whom I dont trust so much thinking about Chees.

For that reason, my vote is staying TU for now.

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Okay...after talking to Chees, Lynns, Undeath, sunstorm on irc.... I've come to reason through the discussions that Chees could be innoncent (he seems to have legitimate reasons to his voting late) - and more suspspicion has been placed on TU.

Also, TU said:
""I know i kind of trusted SD in the beginning but something has happened that i can't really trust him anymore, sadly for my own protection i can't reveal those reasons""

He actually said this before the game switch.

I trust SD 100% ..its irrefutable.

SD also seems to suspect TU, so for now I'm going to switch to TU.

TU - you act really suspicious ...I'm starting to wonder if u a bit like Humidity and doing it unintentioally - OR, if ur actually that stupid =/

Anyway, for the time being ...I'm changing to TU. ...Still 12 hrs before deadline ...so I could change again.

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oh and for u ppl that cant read between the lines ..

I'm saying incase Chees turns out to be a townie ...dont blame me and the knight.  We'll have another investigation done tonight - and as soon as we know more, we'll bring it to light!

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I'm gonna vote chees too.

Tbh, I suspect you, sheep, arms ..possibly even TU (tho I don't think he'd vote out a fellow mobbie like he has pointed out you - and he's been saying ur mob for quite some time)


BUT!!

TO ALL YOU TOWNIES!!!....

Am only voting Chees cos:
1) I suspect him
2) sheep and lynns have started a bandwagon of sorts

so with this in mind....plz note the following!!

I am in touch with the Knight still ...and there has been NO investigation on chees to say he's mob.

Lets hope we can lynch a mob while saving an investigation!

3,416

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finally u exist big_smile

3,417

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and lol @ rope 'snapping' ...almost Eltie...almost wink

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Yay! big_smile:D

We iz comin for u mobbies!!

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C'mon guys ...lets not get wayward here.

Stay focused.

I'm pretty sure Knight hasn't been turned.

Stay strong townies - keep your vote for Eltara.

If Eltara is mob (im 99.99% sure) ...then all is good, still on track.

If Eltara is townie, I'll give up my source (during the night phase) ....and then you guys can lynch me next and then the 'source' (aka converted Knight) next.

3,420

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lol...this is soo screwed up now =/

3,421

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NEW INFO!!!


Eltara:
"Wow, saved by mafia...
How ironic.

*throws a book at Genesis*
How's that, foozer icon8"


haha..what a load of crap tongue ...'ironic' indeed.

Knight investigated you last night, and you isss.....MOB!!! (probably right hand man of GF too i reckon).

Anyway, well played thus far, it was nice knowing you.

Now I need to just find the townie that got switched... (damn u arsy/elro for putting in this twist - I thought townies had this one for sure - but maybe a lil ambiguity now).

Anyway!!

My vote = Eltara

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11:55         *** The_Unknown quit (Quit: )
11:59    Arnor    nighty night lads!
11:59    Eltara    nn
12:00        *** Arnor quit (Quit: <Arnor> I'm buying a new screen. <Arnor> as this one is almost broken, it produces an annoying buzz. <The_Yell> buzz is good! <The_Yell> it means you're getting needed radiation!)
12:00    Torqez|Work    thats a nice summary TU
12:01    arsy    im sure he'd thank you if he were still awake X(
12:01    Torqez|Work    its quite interesting when u put it like that
12:01    Torqez|Work    oh, lol
12:01    Torqez|Work    fine, i'll post in the forum -_-

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wow..this is an interesting development yikes

Just when I thought townies had this in the bag...

Ah well, dont think it should matter - I think we're pretty close on who's who

(btw ZoZ, taht was a pretty weak attempt (again!) at trying to get my lynched tongue)

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Unofficial:

ZoZ - 13 (Torqez, Lynns, TMK, Gratitude, Undeath, Gladiator, Ilfirin, evilsheep_Naked, Chees, King, arms, The_Unknown, Eltara)
The_Unknown - 1 (SittingDuck)
Torqez - 1 (ZichtOpZee)

Still to Vote - 3 (Jets, RockOn, Sunstorm)

3,425

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Oops, was writing that reply before your 2nd post.

Anyway, update is:

Unofficial:

ZoZ - 7 (Torqez, Lynns, TMK, Gratitude, Undeath, Gladiator, Ilfirin)
The_Unknown - 1 (SittingDuck)
Undeath - 1 (Chees)

Still to Vote - 8 (arms, Eltara, evilsheep_Naked, Jets, RockOn, Sunstorm, The_Unknown, ZichtOpZee)