> Wild Flower Soul wrote:

> Einstein, why is the birth certificate so important?
If the man's esteemed (by the majority of the population) to be the most apt for the job, what does it matter what his birth certificate tells you?

The US Constitution requires that a President be born in the United States.  The Constitution is the supreme law of the land, which defines the framework for how the United States is governed and takes shape.  If there is a blatant violation of the Constitution that is left unaddressed, it means the supreme law of the land means next to nothing.

Remember, the Constitution is more than simply a law.  When government officials are sworn into office, they don't swear allegiance to the President.  They swear allegiance to that piece of paper.  The nation as a whole, in dozens of wars throughout history, has fought to defend the beliefs behind that document.  The integrity of the Constitution defines the United States as a people...

> xeno syndicated wrote:

> Zarf wrote:

"How does this in any way relate to the Politics ICC challenge?  I can 100% fully understand your relationship to the ICC as a whole, but not any reason why that legitimizes you to a contest about a conflict of competing real-world political (not IC) ideologies."

Well, aren't you trying to start a round with a group of players from politics?  You want there to be a round with families: 1 family with players who consider themselves as right wingers politically, another family who consider themselves as left wingers, and why not a family who consider themselves as the 'check and balance ideology', checking and balancing both the right and left wingers.

That is the political ideology of piranhas: 'Justice'

1: You're oversimplifying the contest.  It's not just "oh, let's have politics people participating!"  The contest I am holding, specifically, is

2: If your family does not operate within the framework of political ideologies, its claim to be a balance of political ideologies is unfounded since it doesn't even operate at the same level.

3: Your family says that you accept people of all ideologies.  While normally that would be fine, in this particular framework (where there is a limited number of people in the politics forum), having overlapping recruiting families is a bad idea in itself because it eliminates the possibility of any of our families achieving our goals.

4: Assuming what you said... how are the right and left families not Piranhas?

I'm not saying you shouldn't make a family.  All I'm saying is that you don't operate within the framework of the Politics ICC challenge.

> xeno syndicated wrote:

> Consider it like this:

Your two fams are like the two parties (Right Wing and Left Wing) in the Legislative branch of a government, whereas our fam is like the judiciary.

Elaborate, please.

So far, we have two, and possibly a third, people in the Left family, and none on the right.

Come on, Republicans!  Are you seriously going to let the liberals win right out of the starting gate?

> xeno syndicated wrote:

> Here's Einstein trying to label those who would be in the Piranha fam as simply those who aren't either 'Conservative' or 'Liberal'.   Einstein doesn't get that Piranhas could be Conservative, they could be Liberal.  There could be either and / both in the Piranha fam, as the Piranha fam is made up of those players who, REGARDLESS OF THEIR POLITICAL AFFILIATION, believe in the simple premise that IC has for too long been about Big Fish eating Little Fish and that it is now time to do something about that.  They share the notion that honor must be brought back to IC; that vulturing, farming, etc., REQUIRES retribution from....

The Piranhas!@~!~!@~!@

Then you're in a problem: How does this in any way qualify you for a contest that is a conflict of political affiliations if your family does not define political affiliations?

Please resolve this question so that I can determine if you qualify for the contest.

If you can set up a family for it that qualifies for the ICC, and can ascribe a political ideology to that family, then go for it.

Done!

I knew it would be tricky placing you, as it will be for many of alternative ideologies (thank God there are no postmodern theorists on these forums).

Generally, I would suggest you go in the "Right" family, if you're interested in playing... if only because, out of the two, you would probably gain more joy from clobbering the Left family than from clobbering the Right family, although there are also at least some alignments with generally "right" theories. 

But as I said in the disclaimer, the categorization is inherently flawed (I never liked ideological categorizations anyway), but necessary to create this game without having 20 one-person families.  It would be impossible to create families that perfectly fit with each individual's ideologies... so for this to work, I'm partially asking for people to make some compromise in order to advance a group... or at least to form coalitions with what one would consider the lesser of two evils.

As I stated, if a particular ideology has enough representatives that they can form a family outside the general "right/left" framework, they are more than welcome to do so, as long as they can mobilize enough people.  I could definitely imagine a Libertarian group popping up in these forums.  If we had more members, I could imagine splinter groups within each side of the "right" or "left," just as they exist in the real world.

The major issue in all of these would be finding 6 people who are willing to sign up for your side...

EDIT: Talked with the mods again, and apparently I misunderstood what they said.  Apparently, I am allowed to play in the Politics ICC challenge.  So I'll join either the Right group (if it needs more members toward the time to file final group numbers) or some alternative right/moderate/Justinian group, provided they find more members...

That being said, if I do participate, it would probably be advantageous for somebody from the Left and other families to step forward as leader early.  There needs to be a designated leader for each individual family.  However, in addition, if I am in one family and recruiting members for the other family, it would create the perception that I would be trying to stack the other family with bad players.  Thus, if someone who does regularly play IC (you_fool, perhaps?) would step forward to lead their family, it would help ensure the credibility of this event.

Um... ok?

@Chris

1: This is fairly casual... although it's competitive, I don't suspect it would be anywhere near as competitive as regular IC.
2: Refer to BiefstukFriet's post. 

@WFS

You seriously think you're the only left-leaning guy in IC?