Why the disapproving smiley Primo? X(

"When people on the streets can easily agree that criminals are getting nothing done to them it is very obvious."

The "people" are usually quite wrong Flint

All I'm trying to say is this:

The whole virginity thing is discriminating, as it only applies for women. It's discriminating cause women are the ones who have to undergo the operation and have to pay for the whole thing. As you said it's a cultural thing, but we shouldn't bend our laws for certain groups for such things, defenatly if they're as discriminating as this.
Regarding such things as fraud would only encourage cases like this, and women who aren't a virgin anymore will be regarded as "social widows".
It's not about disrespcting their culture (wich I find an offensive remark), it's about drawing the line between culture and constitution.

Oh yes, the Rwanda mission. 10 soldiers got killed indeed, but the underlying reason was that several people of the troops there were raping women and children there. After they got shot, they were recalled. 

"Troops in Darfor ??  No, no.  Not a token force like in Afghansitan."

Yup they are there, in the refugee camps in Chad.

"In Afghanistan, you have armed security.......that any dolt can do w/about 4 weeks of training.
Quite a waste of personal if you ask me."

Our army is specialised in humanitary missions, guarding areas is one of their specialised tasks (like setting up camps etc.). In many ways, I prefer my country's army to do such things then killing allies..

Every week I reach Mach 3....

http://www.razorspares.com/images/productImages/Mach3_pack-Shot.jpg

"Actually the sad truth is that Tie Fighters can be made with current technology"

They're highly unaerodynamic though, so they probably won't be able to return to earth

@Einstein:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aurora_aircraft

Wiki disputes the existence of it though..

"you mean boobjob's arent included in the healthcare? what kind of horrid place do you live in?!"

Reconstructive boobjobs are supported. And when a psychiatrist claims it's really damaging your mental health, you can get a refund. I meant the breast enlargements people, wich have only an esthetic reason. And that place would be Belgium, wich is well known for its great and extended health care.

"the fact of the matter is they do hold virginity with such high regard, and you have to consider that. and their culture is just as valid as yours. the woman said if women dont have their virginity they're dirt. Fooling a man into a relationship with dirt is cheating him of what his culture views as a respectable relationship, its defrauding him. i dont see how its any less criminal then putting a ferrari body on the core of a honda and selling the car as a ferrari. if there was a purpose other then fooling someone into thinking you're still a virgin, then maybe the doctor shouldnt be arrested if he didnt know, but i mean, the only possible scenario i can think of is if some extremely rich couple had a fetish, but if thats the case, all the surgeon would have to do to make sure it wasnt a case of fraud, was make sure the husband knew of it."

I never claimed I regard their culture less then mine, that would be an awesomely silly statement. I just think that if you'd consider this as a fraud, it'd be really discriminating, as this whole virginity issue is only valid for women.

Not at all. This is estethic surgery, much like a boobjob or something.

And "right-wing bible thumpers" usually have more in common with Islamic hardheads than with people like me (atheists) Chris..

I disagree. It's their choice, I don't see how this is a fraude. A lot of people lie about their former relationships, this isn't much different.
If they're willing to pay such a ridiculous amount of money for it, let them. It's a shame they hold on to virginity so much though..

The french health care system doesn't deviate much from the belgian one, Chris.

One of the greatest scenes I've seen is the plot of Ex-Drummer (a Belgian film). I can't post it here though (besides, I don't think they have it on youtube anyway). Anyhoo, poke me if you'd like to see it, perhaps I can edit it out.

"Remind me again why we NEED to pay taxes for other people's health care?"

Where does it say it's being paid with health care money? I think this falls under esthetic surgery and is thus something one must pay on his/her own.

Come over and I'll hand them over personally!

But now this should be kicked to community!

Nono, it's a valid remark Nemeara. It's only his side of the story.
I don't intend to be mean, but I can hardly believe someone would do such a thing out of the blue. There must be something on her mind, or something that's been troubling her for a longer time.

On a sidenote, 21 is awfully early to be wedded, isn't it? I'm 22 and nowhere near that